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    Default Ed Collins asked me to share this

    He asked me to get a copy of this to Mr. Smith and Mr. Hill. I do not know either of these gentlemen so I thought they might see it if I posted it here:

    Ben:

    Thank you for your suggestion.

    However, as you are no doubt aware, the BOS does not typically respond to
    comments made during public discussion. It is not a rigid rule. Had Mr. Hill
    confined his remarks on "spending" to the alleged effects of the termination
    of the Town Administrator's contract. to his unsubstantiated interpretation
    "as a matter of Law" of the "without cause" provision of that contract, or
    even to his demand about the school budget (which in any event the BOS do
    not control), I would not have commented on his offerings, whatever I
    thought of them, as I did not comment during other presentations on the 9th
    and 16th, including written submissions. My remark -- "outburst" according
    to Mr. Smith -- was directed specifically to the unique aspect of his
    presentation, namely to his ill-founded, ignorant, and blatantly untrue
    remarks concerning the recent "judgment" in favor of Twenty Wayland and
    against the town and the Wayland Wastewater Management District Commission.

    First, neither Boschetto, nor Collins, nor Leard is in any manner
    responsible for that debacle. They inherited the current problem from
    predecessors. In addition, proceedings have not yet concluded in the trial
    court, there is no final judgment yet, so an appeal is not ripe, and there
    are currently pending post-trial proceedings. Mr. Hill knows full-well how
    to consult this information, if he chooses to do so. Apparently, he has
    not. Further, the case in its present posture, involves two aspects: there
    is the issue of damages for breach of contract -- that's the $1.2 million
    figure, but there is also a specific performance issue, that is, the town &
    WWMDC might have to provide Twenty Wayland with capacity to treat 45,000
    gallons of wastewater per day. That might cost an amount that makes the $1.2
    million damages judgment look small, and involves ongoing complex
    negotiations with the Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection
    with a view to the containing or eliminating of such costs. The Board of
    Selectmen (and Boschetto, Collins, and Leard in particular, along with
    others) are and have been heavily involved in such efforts, and indeed have
    had some successes. Mr. Hill's accusatory remarks, repeated several times,
    that he "hasn't heard any discussion whatsoever" about these issues prove
    only that he isn't listening or doesn't really care. His remarks on this
    litigation gratuitously and unfairly insult the current Board of Selectmen
    as a whole and its individual members, particularly the three who are his
    ostensible target, who are trying very hard to find a remedy for the
    citizens of Wayland to an unfortunate situation not of their making. Not
    only were Mr. Hill's remarks demeaning to the BOS and its individual
    members, they are needlessly quite dangerous to the possibilities of success
    for the benefit of Wayland's citizens. My brief remarks -- outburst, if you
    prefer -- to the effect that I have rarely heard so much nonsense in such a
    short period of time were directed to this aspect of Mr. Hill's screed. The
    only apology advisable is by Mr. Daniel Hill to the BOS and its individual
    members and to those Wayland residents he would recklessly mislead and, in
    fact, injure by his own mindless irresponsibility. Before he deigns again to
    launch intemperate personal attacks, it would be well if he knew what he is
    talking about. His irresponsible and nasty attack deserved immediate
    challenge, however brief. No apology here.

    I feel modestly certain that, upon consideration, you will agree.

    Sincerely,

    Ed

    P.S. If you have their e-mall addresses, please forward a copy of this reply
    to Mr. Hill and Mr.Smith.

    -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Downs
    Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:55 AM
    To: Edward J. Collins
    Cc: selectmen@wayland.ma.us
    Subject: Your comment last night

    Ed,

    I was watching the public comment at your meeting last night and your
    comment to a member of the public was incredibly disrespectful. The
    Board of Selectman used to be a group that was held in high esteem your
    action has tarnished that reputation. You should publicly apologize.

    Sincerely,

    Ben Downs

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    Hi Ben. Thanks for the posting - very interesting.

    I know I could probably find this on my own if I had the time to go searching, but do you have a link that points at the actual discourse between Hill, Smith, and Collins? I don't have the context that Collins "nonsense" comment was made in, so I'm not sure what his rather wordy and accusatory retort is referring to. Clearly Hill and/or Smith stepped on a nerve, and Collins is quick to point out that this is not his fault (First, neither Boschetto, nor Collins, nor Leard is in any manner
    responsible for that debacle. They inherited the current problem from
    predecessors.
    ). Of course this is irrelevant as the incumbent not only inherits problems from predecessors, but also owns them. Collins should know this, and has no business throwing others under the bus. Anyway, I do appreciate the posting and would like to understand the background a bit more.

    Thanks again.

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    My email to Ed was a result of the last selectmen's meeting, September 16, 2013. You can see the relevant section of the meeting here: http://waycamtv.pegcentral.com/playe...6f0f8b015301bf

    It takes place between 1:28.56 and 1:36.00

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    Once again, thank you for the information - you made it very easy for me to review the discussion. I hope that everyone that is reading this thread takes the time to watch the relevant 7 minutes that Ben points out above. Mr. Collins acted like a child in the schoolyard, laughing and mocking Mr. Hill. Mr. Smith points out that decorum was shattered, and that Mr. Collins outburst (and Mr. Leard's rude iPhone tapping during the public comment) are nothing short of a slap in the face to the voting public in Wayland. How much longer do we need to put up with this uncaring, self involved board?

    It's time to resign gentlemen. Please take the high road, and leave your seats to those who will treat the public with respect.

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    I sent the following reply to Mr. Collins and have not yet heard back....

    Ed,

    I do not know either Mr. Hill or Mr. Smith but I will endeavor to get
    your response to them.

    I think you missed my point. I know it is not typical of the BOS to
    respond to public comment. That is why your decision to break with
    custom, even if it is not a rigid rule, and address a member of the
    public so rudely is at issue. Your action certainly aided and abetted
    the lack of decorum that has characterized your recent meetings. If a
    member of your committee exhibits such behavior how can you expect
    anything more of your audience.

    I do not know anything about the substance of what Mr. Hill said or your
    commentary below. However, it strikes me as unbelievable that a comment
    from a stated uninformed member of the public could have any relevant
    bearing on the outcome of what appears to be a fairly technical
    lawsuit. I would point out that Mr. Leard was involved with the "issue"
    because he was on the BOS during his earlier tenure.

    The board of selectman are leaders in this town. You were elected to
    lead. You have not done that and refuse to take responsibility for your
    actions.

    Sincerely,

    Ben

    PS I have copied Mr. Leard on this even though I know he does not have
    time to read emails.

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    Interesting perspective, Ben.

    For anyone who wasn't there, I would encourage people to view the WayCam tapes of the last few BOS meetings - http://waycamtv.pegcentral.com - and decide for themselves who is being rude.
    John Flaherty

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    I am glad you found it interesting. I think though you might have missed my point. To simplify it for you here it is:
    "I know it is not typical of the BOS to
    respond to public comment. That is why your decision to break with
    custom, even if it is not a rigid rule, and address a member of the
    public so rudely is at issue. Your action certainly aided and abetted
    the lack of decorum that has characterized your recent meetings. If a
    member of your committee exhibits such behavior how can you expect
    anything more of your audience."

    I stated that rudeness begets rudeness and Mr. Collins was guilty of that.

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    No, Ben. I got your point.
    Here is a link directly to the WayCam video:
    http://waycamtv.pegcentral.com/playe...fc699b86f42a87
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    John,

    That is so weird. My exchange with Ed was from September 23. Your link is to a meeting on October 2. My email with Ed was about a selectman meeting on the 16 of September. If you got my point why are you including a link to a meeting that happened over 2 weeks after the meeting Ed and I were corresponding about? And based on that and your tagline "Any views expressed are NOT mine alone." who else really thinks you understood my point?
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    Ben - please stop confusing this discussion with facts. it's much more entertaining to just make stuff up! I really can't wait until the AG weighs in on this OML violation and levies the maximum fine on the BO3. They should also be required to reimburse the town for all legal defense fees spent on their behalf, and all expenses incurred by the town as a result of their wanton act of disrespect and megalomania.

    Resign now BO3! Resign now.

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    Good point about reimbursing for legal expenses, Carl.
    So, I assume then, that you would agree with going back to Steve Correia, Sue Pope, John Bladon and Tom Fay and getting them to reimburse the town the legal expenses for their indiscretions where they were caught on tape breaking the Open Meeting Law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Flaherty View Post
    Good point about reimbursing for legal expenses, Carl.
    So, I assume then, that you would agree with going back to Steve Correia, Sue Pope, John Bladon and Tom Fay and getting them to reimburse the town the legal expenses for their indiscretions where they were caught on tape breaking the Open Meeting Law?

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    John,

    Are you the "John" who posts on the Patch? If so, just checking here: this was your post?
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    This comes from here: http://wayland.patch.com/groups/opin...yland-citizens
    and it is a post from John that says, "Ramah is right. It's time to set the Reset button in Wayland. I will accept the Ramah Pledge."

    I disagree about hitting a "Reset" button, at least not while I think something wrong happened, and it hasn't been investigated and resolved. But this Reset button was your idea. If you meant it, you should start by ceasing to post this video. I mean, what is your point? The Selectmen involved did something they shouldn't have - everybody at this point acknowledges it, including them. They paid a fine, they admitted they were wrong, they learned from it and promised not to repeat the behavior. I have neither seen or heard anything suggesting that they broke this promise.

    That this happened is no excuse for any subsequent bad behavior, and on the contrary, should have served as a model for learning such that subsequent bad behavior should be considerably less tolerated.

    All that said, the legal expenses in this case are going to vastly exceed that prior one - the Selectmen not only used Town Counsel, but also a Labor Lawyer and Special Counsel. The Special Counsel commuted from Amherst (a four hour round trip to Wayland, five hours to the AG's office in Boston), and charges $250/hour.
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    I provide it for perspective.
    If we're going to be talking about having these 3 selectmen pay the legal fees in what is a yet to be decided OML complaint, then it would only be fair that we ask 4 people that we KNOW broke the OML for the same. Isn't that fair?

    It is also worth noting that whenever George Harris files a complaint, some people are all over him as being the cause of the legal costs for having filed the complaint. Yet, in this case, the cause is blamed on the Selectmen, rather than the filer of the complaint.

    I do not post that link willy nilly. I post it whenever I see something that contradicts it or dismisses it. It was a significant point in Wayland history, and one that I am as anxious to forget as anyone. I look forward to the day when it will be ancient history, no longer needed as a reference point, because as a town we will have moved beyond it. That day will come and I stand by Ramah's pledge to be more civil. However, like you, Kim, I reserve the right to speak out about what I see as wrong.
    John Flaherty

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