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    Default Let's Not Leave out Ballot Question #3

    I'm no expert in dog racing, or the treatment of greyhounds. I'd be interested in opinions of those more knowledgeable.

    As a starting point for discussion: an article which appears to be balanced on the merits, from MIT's "The Tech".
    Last edited by Kim Reichelt; 10-02-2008 at 01:59 PM. Reason: typo in title

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    Default If the dogs are mistreated

    It seems to me that if the industry wanted to survive it would have positioned itself to not be in a position of perceived 'dog cruelty scrutiny'. That may have worked in the past but as time marches on people are more and more sensitized to humane matters and the industry should have been attuned to that.

    Kim, the article that you provided gave a mixed message about the dog's treatment so its not clear that there is gross mishandling of the dog's but its also clear that the dog racing industry (now in competition with lottery, casinos etc..) is not what it once was. The first thing that would naturally suffer would be the dog's lifestyle because, well, the dog's are the last to complain.

    So I would tend to be more in belief that conditions have deteriorated for the dogs and this is why this ballot question even has life. An industry that makes less and less money, seemingly cuts corners and has less and less positive impact on the tax base.

    On one hand we could leave the industry alone and let it die a slow and painful death on its own... on the other hand, the dogs seem like they would suffer even more in the process.

    My vote is to PASS the measure which kills the industry by 1/1/2010.
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    http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph...tion_Act_(2008)

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    We humans are an arrogant bunch who assume that animals were put here for our own amusement and entertainment.

    I'm grateful to see that the "sport" of bullfighting is only a shadow of its former self and would be very happy to see greyhound racing go the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Flaherty View Post
    We humans are an arrogant bunch who assume that animals were put here for our own amusement and entertainment.

    I'm grateful to see that the "sport" of bullfighting is only a shadow of its former self and would be very happy to see greyhound racing go the same way.

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    John, I'm certainly inclined to feel the same way.

    If somebody were to prove that the dogs LOVE to race, and it uplifts their spirits, and that they are treated like kings, I can imagine feeling differently.

    But my gut reaction is that we shouldn't treat any animal that way.

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    Default no on #3- slippery slope

    When we hear the argument about why dog racing should be ended in MA it is very hard not to immediately agree, after all what sort of person would support an industry where dogs have been injured or died or been housed in unfavorable conditions? I would appeal to you to go beyond the initial emotional response and have a closer look at this one.
    It is a very slippery slope when we make the decisions on this issue, and if you want to go down this route, and what point do you stop? It is my understanding that as far as dog racing goes, MA is one of the better states. If there are cruel conditions and abuse, they should be covered by the MSPCA. If, for some reason dog racing is exempt from these laws then I am sorely mistaken.
    Millions of Americans have watched and been saddened when race horses have broken their legs on national TV. Yet have the horses been mistreated and should horse racing be banned? No – the horses have been bred to run, it is a long time industry. There have been comments that the dogs might not want to run. I have seen sled dogs howl and leap into the traces in anticipation of going out for a sled run. Should the Iditarod be banned- after all, what dog would want to go on such a taxing race of endurance and hardship? If you go to a local horse show, see a 12 year old rider use the crop on their pony which has refused the jump- is that cruelty, after all, the pony clearly didn’t want to go over the fence. What about dog breeders? Clearly, there are cases of abuse and neglect in this state. But because you have found some instances of poor conditions or cruelty, should you ban the whole industry? We humans have always utilized domestic animals...for companionship, for work, as a food source. Today, as human we breed designer dogs, based on how hypoallergenic they are. Cat breeds have been developed to have a flatter and flatter distorted face, to please us humans with little regard to the respiratory complications that develop. Some cat breeds have had most of the cat instinct bred out of them- known as rag dolls because they act like one. We must acknowledge that, we have a huge hand in the domestic animal world. For a look at all the mistakes humans have done with selective animal breeding read “Animals in Translation”. To target one portion of the industry and not others is not consistent, and goes under the “some pigs are more equal than others” philosophy. Any abuses in the dog racing should dealt with, but ending the whole industry is not the solution. I believe these dogs are bred to run. I don’t feel we have the right to tell the almost 700 employees at the Raynham track that we think we other animal related industries are more worthy than theirs.
    As for my point of view, I am a huge animal lover, pro Obama. I have always had dogs/cats/ and an occasional horse. In full disclosure, my family had harness horses, and I am well familiar with that industry and how well our race horses and breeding stock were treated. I also did several 100 mile endurance rides on horseback, and could not imagine that under the same argument as the pro question #3 I might be considered guilty of animal cruelty.

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    Default I had been thinking about that, too...

    How is dog racing different from horse racing, and how can I care about one and not the other? Perhaps I need to care about both... A slippery slope indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathy CLeaver View Post
    I believe these dogs are bred to run.
    I agree with you.
    But to me, that's the problem. Our own human arrogance allows us to breed dogs for the sole purpose of keeping ourselves entertained. This strikes me as barbaric.

    My feelings about the 700 employees who would lose their jobs is similar to how I feel about tobacco farmers - the end does not justify the means. Like technology, social mores change over time and will force some people to seek other forms of employment. While I wouldn't wish a layoff on anyone, it is inevitable that some people will lose their jobs as our society continually evolves. If people need to retire early, learn new skills or change careers because of it, that doesn't mean that our evolution should be put on hold simply because some people are working in fields that society no longer values.

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    Default Cockroach Racing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Reichelt View Post
    How is dog racing different from horse racing, and how can I care about one and not the other? Perhaps I need to care about both... A slippery slope indeed!
    Kim, did you know that they have Cockroach Racing ?

    http://www.2camels.com/world-champio...ach-racing.php

    I wonder if we should care about that too?

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    Nope, while I definitely have misgivings about dog racing (and maybe even some about horse racing), I totally have absolutely NO misgivings about cockroach racing. I only hope that they stomp on them at the end. (BTW, this from someone who catches spiders in my home and gently puts them outside)

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