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  1. a challenge

    Make "Wayland Transparency" transparent, or change the site name to "Wayland Opacity".
  2. me too!

    This is hysterical!
  3. Carl, I'd enjoy meeting you also, although I'm...

    Carl,

    I'd enjoy meeting you also, although I'm not sure how likely that is since we're now in retirement mode and splitting our time between Cape Cod and San Francisco (my goal is never again to...
  4. Ordinarily, I wouldn't deign to respond to Mr....

    Ordinarily, I wouldn't deign to respond to Mr. Flaherty's post, but since it's as fascinating as it is silly, I can't resist. Let me take his points in order:



    No suprise about Mr. Flaherty's...
  5. I'd add only that the most useful achievement for...

    I'd add only that the most useful achievement for Mr. Flaherty on this thread is that he's now learned the difference between "persevere" and "perseverate".
  6. Your perseveration demonstrates my point. You...

    Your perseveration demonstrates my point.
    You may not like the answers that Jeff has given, but he's given them. And since I consider your motives suspect, I hope that Jeff will not encourage you...
  7. I'd like to believe that, but I don't. John's...

    I'd like to believe that, but I don't. John's question has been sufficiently asked and answered. By continuing ad nauseam, he'll reach the point where Jeff had had enough (I know that I have) and...
  8. Kim, I wholeheartedly agree with you about...

    Kim,

    I wholeheartedly agree with you about WVN's consistent anti-BOS/SC/TC -- and generally anti-progressive -- "point of view". Indeed, the reason that I agreed to join the WaylandeNews Board...
  9. Or, as Gilda Radner's Emily Litella would have...

    Or, as Gilda Radner's Emily Litella would have said, "Never mind."
  10. This is very well-said.

    This is very well-said.
  11. Can't resist. 5.

    Can't resist. 5.
  12. No Alan. That seems like unresponsive gibberish...

    No Alan. That seems like unresponsive gibberish to me.
  13. In other words, Alan, you're saying that it's ok...

    In other words, Alan, you're saying that it's ok for you to impugn Kim's motives because an anonymous poster on the Town Crier website impugned yours (which you justifiably resent)? Do you just not...
  14. Are you impugning Kim's motives? Isn't that...

    Are you impugning Kim's motives? Isn't that exactly what you're kvetching about?
  15. Neither is illegal. Both are deplorable.

    Neither is illegal. Both are deplorable.
  16. Absurd on both counts, and unworthy of a response.

    Absurd on both counts, and unworthy of a response.
  17. Actually, welcome to civilized discourse. The use...

    Actually, welcome to civilized discourse. The use of foul language, even when thinly disguised, is and should be unacceptable in this forum. The English language is versatile enough to allow you to...
  18. That observation misses the point. How many such...

    That observation misses the point. How many such people attended Town Meeting (0,50?), and has there been any effect on their voting (no, yes, sometimes?)? That's the kind of evidence that would be...
  19. If the aversion is based on social discomfort, as...

    If the aversion is based on social discomfort, as opposed to intimidation regarding one's job or livelihood, then I consider it an insufficient reason to do away with public voting at Town Meeting. ...
  20. Oh, please, not the timeworn lawyers' ploy of...

    Oh, please, not the timeworn lawyers' ploy of demanding evidence to refute a baseless speculation? Since Dave concocted the scenarios in the first place, any evidentiary burden is upon him to...
  21. These are more unlikely scenarios, which are easy...

    These are more unlikely scenarios, which are easy to concoct. In any event, I favor public voting one's convictions over casting a vote in private that contradicts what one has said in public.
  22. The vast majority of voters don't work for the...

    The vast majority of voters don't work for the Town, so there'd be none of the kind of "intimidation" cited by Dave, whose example is so uncommon that it does not support the broader proposition. As...
  23. Q: How do housing assignments work for each of...

    Q: How do housing assignments work for each of the four years?
    Q: Does the school permit study abroad? If so, does it run its own programs with its own profs?
    Q: If alcohol consumption is to be...
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    This is absurdly simplistic. It's like saying...

    This is absurdly simplistic. It's like saying "you either support freedom of speech or you're against it", without taking account of the many nuances that have given rise to so many Supreme Court...
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    Replacing a teller for reasons of efficiency and...

    Replacing a teller for reasons of efficiency and allowing a second standing vote seem to me two entirely different things with justifiably different triggers.
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    I still like "incompetence". Such a threshhold...

    I still like "incompetence". Such a threshhold would make most people reluctant to invoke it except in egregious cases, and would make the Moderator disinclined to entertain it without very clear...
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    I disagree with Jeff on this. "Error" alone is...

    I disagree with Jeff on this. "Error" alone is too low a standard -- e.g., a one vote counting error where the margin is 200 votes is immaterial. Moreover, how would the Moderator evaluate whether...
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    My experience is the same. Moreover, I've been...

    My experience is the same. Moreover, I've been advised that if someone were to decide not to mark the ballot (as in a one-question ballot), he would either submit the blank ballot by inserting it...
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    Don - You, more than most people, should know...

    Don -
    You, more than most people, should know better than to resort to simplistic labels like "SOS-friendly" and "anti-Jeff B". I'd like to think that my opinions are thoughtful, principled and my...
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    According to the public record, Mr. Baron voted. ...

    According to the public record, Mr. Baron voted. And Precinct 3 reported no blank ballots. These facts speak for themselves, and I don't see how they can be reconciled with his claim that he...
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    Actually, this thread discusses whether a...

    Actually, this thread discusses whether a two-time (and perhaps future) candidate for School Committee -- who raised this issue himself -- was being truthful when he claims that he abstained from the...
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    Ben - Do you still plan to comment on this?...

    Ben -
    Do you still plan to comment on this?
    Steve
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    Poll: Well done, Kim. Facts can be so inconvenient...

    Well done, Kim. Facts can be so inconvenient when they puncture puffed-up rhetoric.
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    Dave's question wasn't directed to me, but I...

    Dave's question wasn't directed to me, but I can't resist chiming in and recommending "Galaxy Quest" to (i) all who watched "Star Trek" from its beginnings in the mid-1960s, (ii) fans of Tony...
  35. Hmm .... guess I'll have to accelerate my plan to...

    Hmm .... guess I'll have to accelerate my plan to attain dominance over the planet.
  36. The good news would be that my retirement savings...

    The good news would be that my retirement savings need only last 19 years, and that I could kite checks during the 20th.
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    John, this is a thread that I started to talk...

    John, this is a thread that I started to talk about the 40th anniversary of the moon landing. If you want to indulge in your usual all-about-Loker-all-the-time theme, why don't you start your own...
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    If this is intended to be a parody of the...

    If this is intended to be a parody of the self-righteous piety and mind-numbing distortions that were in evidence at the Sotomayor hearings, it's spot on.

    If, however, it's a humorless failure...
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    Alas, not even Armstrong contends that: he's...

    Alas, not even Armstrong contends that: he's remarked several times about his having "dropped a syllable", and he's rejected the garbled-transmission theory. He's asked that those who print his...
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    interesting trivia

    Alan, I'm not familiar with that song, but the title reminds me of a line by Mario Puzo in "The Godfather": "A lawyer with a briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns."

    And here's some...
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    40th Anniversary of Moon Landing

    Monday, July 20, will be the 40th anniversary of the day that Neil Armstrong became the first human to set foot on the moon. Do those of you who are old enough to have followed this milestone event...
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    Pretty funny, Jeff. But since "Facebook" is...

    Pretty funny, Jeff. But since "Facebook" is already taken, how about borrowing a name that Conan O'Brien came up with for a social network site that combines the best features of Facebook, Twitter...
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    Fairness dictates that the key portion of Carl...

    Fairness dictates that the key portion of Carl Rosenblatts post -- omitted by Dave Bernstein -- be noted.

    Carl wrote: "The reason I don't care about any of these things is simply because the...
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    You shouldn't presume to put words in my mouth. ...

    You shouldn't presume to put words in my mouth. I don't agree with your "humiliate" characterization (I'd use the term "embarrass"), and I view the "flaw" as more substantive than procedural.
    ...
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    In three of the cases, that's a far more...

    In three of the cases, that's a far more charitable view than the one to which I would be inclined. But that's not really the point. In my view, the point is that in the immediate aftermath of the...
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    Mr. Baron doesn't dispute what I wrote. He...

    Mr. Baron doesn't dispute what I wrote. He merely attacks my motives, reasserts his belief in his own worthiness, and invokes some higher purpose. None of that calls for a response, except:


    ...
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    First, let me express my admiration for Barry...

    First, let me express my admiration for Barry Nystedt's thoughtful and well-written post above. I agree with every word of it.

    On the other hand, I have no respect for Jeffrey Baron's comments...
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    Exactly right: If you transpose the sequence into...

    Exactly right: If you transpose the sequence into "Grasso and Baron and Reiss, oh my!", you get the same cadence as "Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!" from the movie The Wizard of Oz. It's also...
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    Pro-fair-use-of-numbers, not...

    Pro-fair-use-of-numbers, not pro-Dieffenbach-and-Astley. Of course, that's consistent with the WaylandeNews endorsement of Dieffenbach, Astley and Grasso (in that order). Mr. Baron is undoubtedly...
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    Numbers need to be treated with care, and the...

    Numbers need to be treated with care, and the inferences drawn from them need to be assessed cautiously. Before Mr. Baron claims some sort of mandate or representational status, he should consider...
  51. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, Dave....

    You're certainly entitled to your opinion, Dave. Since we're in the realm of speculation, I find Jeff's far more plausible (i.e., "Perhaps they don't advocate for ballot questions. Perhaps they...
  52. false equivalency

    Whatever one thinks of the registration history of the School Committee website (a total non-issue, in my view), no reasonable person could equate that with the active misrepresentation by CSPOW that...
  53. No argument with the first point about the benign...

    No argument with the first point about the benign intentions of the CVS Cochituate group. I haven't suggested otherwise, and I don't recall anyone else's having done so. As far as I'm concerned,...
  54. I disagree, but I don't want to waste your time...

    I disagree, but I don't want to waste your time or mine with further discussion of the point, except to say that I'm not seeking to "impose [my] will" (a curious phrase) on anyone -- I'm merely...
  55. The issue is whether a north-south divide, which...

    The issue is whether a north-south divide, which Alan's memo encouraged by his "control of the agenda of Wayland" point, should be incouraged, or whether it was recklessly inappropriate to do so. ...
  56. There is no north Wayland PAC, therefore one...

    There is no north Wayland PAC, therefore one couldn't rationally characterize a south Wayland PAC (by whatever name, if it were to seek to "control the agenda of Wayland") as a "counteraction". If...
  57. Fine. Just don't try to draw a line between...

    Fine. Just don't try to draw a line between north Wayland and south Wayland. That's not the distinction you've drawn, but that's the third-rail issue.
  58. the "third rail" issue

    Jeff and Kim have it exactly right on the "geography" point in its broadest sense.

    There can be no legitimate objection to the formation of groups to lobby about local neighborhood issues (like...
  59. the core concern

    Whether Alan Reiss's "mayor" would or wouldn't be "ceremonial" is the least of the issues that have concerned me. The core issue is the seeming call for a Cochituate voting block to "control the...
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    I just saw in the online version of the "Wayland...

    I just saw in the online version of the "Wayland Town Crier" a letter from Jeff Baron that addresses the SOS-like domain that he registered. Mr. Baron's explanation is as follows:

    "Let me set the...
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    I just saw in the online version of the "Wayland...

    I just saw in the online version of the "Wayland Town Crier" a letter from Jeff Baron that addresses the SOS-like domain that he registered. Mr. Baron's explanation is as follows:

    "Let me set the...
  62. Ah, and to think that I chose "boys' swim team...

    Ah, and to think that I chose "boys' swim team parents" because I was searching for a non-controversial example to add to my SOS and WVN references. But kidding aside, your point is right on the...
  63. I agree. There seems to be a significant...

    I agree. There seems to be a significant "disconnect" between the words and the professed intent. I have nothing against advocacy groups, whether they be the SOS folks, the WVN folks, the boys'...
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    disturbing, indeed

    On March 19, the Town Crier published an article about the registration of a domain (www.soswayland.com) by Jeff Baron, candidate for School Committee, that virtually duplicates the SOS domain...
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    disturbing, indeed

    On March 19, the Town Crier published an article about the registration of a domain (www.soswayland.com) by Jeff Baron, candidate for School Committee, that virtually duplicates the SOS domain...
  66. Alan Reiss's comment

    I spoke with Alan Reiss earlier this evening about this document. He's in California on business but asked me to make clear that this document was intended to suggest ways that the Cochituate...
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    As a member of the WaylandeNews editorial board,...

    As a member of the WaylandeNews editorial board, a former School Committee member (1982-1997) and a concerned citizen, I too would like to read Jeff Baron's and Paul Grasso's responses in this Forum.
  68. Alan - My prediction that "the teachers' union...

    Alan -

    My prediction that "the teachers' union will not propose a pay cut" was meant to refer to the Hopkinton teachers union, of which you'd incorrectly asserted that that union has "asked the...
  69. Alan - I read the Metrowest article concerning...

    Alan -

    I read the Metrowest article concerning Hopkinton. Alas, it does not say that the teachers' union there has "asked the town to consider a pay cut measure". Here's the relevant portion of...
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    Truly funny! I laughed out loud.

    Truly funny! I laughed out loud.
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    concurrence

    I'm in.
    The discussion in the posts above illustrates the Wayland that I've enjoyed for 36 years.
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    As anyone who follows the activities of the...

    As anyone who follows the activities of the Federal and Massachusetts legislatures (as well as Wayland's Town Meetings) should understand, a procedural vote -- like a votew to reconsider -- is...
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    There certainly is, but I consider the former...

    There certainly is, but I consider the former preferable -- at least for a first-time offender -- if it can be done with minimal intervention (a scalpel rather than a chainsaw) that leaves the...
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    I'll bet you'll continue to get the same answer...

    I'll bet you'll continue to get the same answer in textbooks, case books, treatises, biographies of Justice Stewart and books on the Supreme Court. Seemingly.
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    Rather than argue the point, I'd invite...

    Rather than argue the point, I'd invite interested readers to read Jeff Baron's post #61 on the "Our School 'Reconfiguration'" thread, the exchange at posts ##66-68, and Jeff's post #70, and let them...
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    I'm in substantial agreement with Kim Reichelt's...

    I'm in substantial agreement with Kim Reichelt's comments (post #21 above) and Lawrie Glick's comments (post #20 above). In an earlier post, Mr. Glick recognized that editing or removing a post for...
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    The issue is not the legalities (e.g., whether a...

    The issue is not the legalities (e.g., whether a post here has First Amendment protection [it doesn't] or constitutes defamation [it may or may not]).
    The issue is civility vs. incivility (e.g.,...
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    John's demand for an apology (apart from...

    John's demand for an apology (apart from revealing a preternaturally thin skin) is so oblivious to what he wrote as to give new depth to the meaning of "chutzpah". Perhaps John should re-read his...
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    an endorsement of civility

    As one of the WaylandeNews Board members to who Kim refers, I emphatically endorse the views that she expresses. What has distinguished the WaylandeNews Discussion Forum from the Town Crier on-line...
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    the ol' "you quoted me out of context" shuffle

    OK, I re-read it, and it's just as offensive.




    "Where [you're] coming from" doesn't excuse your choice of words. The English language is powerful enough to allow you to express yourself...
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    an unacceptable rant

    I thought that Jeff Baron's comments last night constituted an extreme descent to rock bottom, but John Flaherty has dug even deeper into the swamp of ignorance and insult. "Shut up"??!!?? OK, John...
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    In that case, I withdraw my last comment and...

    In that case, I withdraw my last comment and reiterate what I said in my earlier posts before I charitably (but incorrectly) attributed to you the good judgment to express regret.
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    bottom line

    That's no excuse, Jeff ..... but I suppose a lame expression of regret (your last sentence) is better than none.
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    an attempt at justification?

    Nope. Are you trying to suggest that your words don't speak for themselves, or are you just "blaming your victim" for "provoking" you (the classic "she made me do it" defense)?
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    astonishing

    These comments by Jeff Baron are simply astonishing. Stupefyingly so. If, as is widely assumed, Jeff intends to make a run next year for elective office, what should we make of these shrill,...
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    anonymity vs. misrepresented identity

    Ben,

    We've not met, but I want you to know that I share your outrage about someone's misrepresenting himself as you. Such an action is a falsehood that is beneath contempt, as well as a...
  87. Alan -- In terms of the potential for being...

    Alan --

    In terms of the potential for being misleading, the address for your site -- www.waylandmass.us -- is virtually identical to the address for the official Town site, and therefore has a...
  88. Or even better, you live in Wayland Mass and the...

    Or even better, you live in Wayland Mass and the domain with which everyone is most familiar (and which is not similar to the Town website and would therefore not mislead) is ".com", so...
  89. Alan -- As you and I discussed offline, I'm...

    Alan --

    As you and I discussed offline, I'm disinclined to give legal advice in a public forum, lest someone misunderstand/misapply a general or hypothetical statement. Moreover, while it's easy...
  90. Alan, After reading your post of 11:11 pm last...

    Alan,

    After reading your post of 11:11 pm last night, I'm satisfied that you do not have any underhanded intent in your choice of URL (apart from a touch of mischievousness, perhaps). Although it...
  91. The "question" that appears in the first post...

    The "question" that appears in the first post above is just plain silly and needn't be dignified with an answer.
  92. Alan, I genuinely appreciate the light...

    Alan,

    I genuinely appreciate the light comments and sense of humor that are evident in your post above, and I'm very much inclined to believe that you had no deceitful intent in naming your site...
  93. I certainly hope that the WSC site will be...

    I certainly hope that the WSC site will be maintained, but if the OCPF says otherwise, their reasoning should be examined on its merits.
  94. Before you guys place too much reliance on OCPF...

    Before you guys place too much reliance on OCPF "Interpretive Bulletins" and other advisories, a caveat:

    Such bulletins and advisories simply are not regulations with the force of law and thus...
  95. John, Even if I were to agree with your...

    John,

    Even if I were to agree with your characterization of the Loker matter -- which I don't -- it doesn't justify a breach of the fundamental privacy principle (or, for that matter, of the...
  96. Jeff and John - Can you really see no...

    Jeff and John -

    Can you really see no legitimate privacy principle in this matter? Personal privacy is the principle behind this exception to the Open Meeting Law. Would you feel the same way if...
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