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  1. Wow! I’m overwhelmed by bull, things pulled...

    Wow!

    I’m overwhelmed by bull, things pulled out of context, distorted, inaccurate. But let’s stick to the libel shall we. Both Jeff, and I guess Kim too, seem to agree that I libeled. And both...
  2. Responding to Jeff D.

    I apologize, this will be boring, I promise not to carry it on.

    Jeff, I try not to argue with you, it gets nowhere. You just seem confused to me. You miss points. You read things into what’s said....
  3. I know I have a weird sense of humor but I do get...

    I know I have a weird sense of humor but I do get a kick out of how you people respond. Makes me happy in a funny way. Make me want to repond like in one of those “dumb, dumber” movies, like, “I just...
  4. Are you folks, like, “Pleasuring Yourselves”?

    (I wrote this before Jeff D’s thoughtful response, so my sentiments aren’t directed towards his comment. WVN would be better for doing the simple things he suggests. Perhaps if they had a real...
  5. I still like the idea that legislative voting...

    I still like the idea that legislative voting should be public, and town meeting is a legislature. Everybody’s vote effects the whole town, it’s services, my pocketbook, why shouldn’t I know the...
  6. I like that Jon’s original concerns were about...

    I like that Jon’s original concerns were about enhancing democracy, deliberation, and engagement. But I also think that privacy and democracy go hand in hand and that maybe all these aren’t mutually...
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    The election tomorrow is exciting I’m hoping,...

    The election tomorrow is exciting

    I’m hoping, and assuming, that the issues and positions of the various candidates are clear and therefore people who vote tomorrow actually get to make a real...
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    Excellent Jeff D. Doing your bit for the...

    Excellent Jeff D. Doing your bit for the election? A bit disingenuous though. A vast majority of people I’ve met know exactly what I’m talking about when I mention “divisive, politicized atmosphere”,...
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    Kim, last week I went looking for...

    Kim, last week I went looking for information/pictures of the proposed bath house and couldn’t find any, but you did, and it’s cute. Kudos to you. One question I have is that in the original proposal...
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    I didn’t mean to be away so long but there was so...

    I didn’t mean to be away so long but there was so much stuff to do. Perhaps there will soon be more free time in which to post. I originally had thought we could have good discussions around the...
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    Paul: It’s unfortunate that this is our first...

    Paul:

    It’s unfortunate that this is our first encounter, since I’ve always wanted to talk to you about town finances. You, and Kim, are right. There’s nothing I can do except apologize. My opinion...
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    I don't think its a legal conflict of interest. I...

    I don't think its a legal conflict of interest. I don't imagine there's laws about what information a committee member can present to their own committee. More a philosophical conflict. Yes, the...
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    Dave (Kim too), it’s hard to believe you think...

    Dave (Kim too), it’s hard to believe you think it’s inconsequential that an overwhelming majority of Wayland residents are essentially disenfranchised? I also fear you glossed over one of my points,...
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    Sliced and Diced

    Several people here use the method that Dave uses above and I’d like to question its usefulness. Suppose one of the other candidates, thinking that open informational sharing was a good thing, or...
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    Please understand, these things are complicated,...

    Please understand, these things are complicated, my ideas evolve, “everybody” gets to ultimately decide, not me. This discussion forum (“DF”) allows me to explore my thinking, and with others input,...
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    I had originally imagined we’d examine how the...

    I had originally imagined we’d examine how the Discussion Forum might be used at election time before we got into issues/positions. Might we discuss what qualities are preferred in our elected...
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    Patience my friend, we have a month

    Of course I'll answer. I will check here everyday, but sometimes not multiple times, and unfortunately, my writing is slow...

    Question 1 – Ballot Question Override, Menu Choice

    I would support...
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    My apologies for being away so long, things have...

    My apologies for being away so long, things have somehow become busier. First thing I noticed upon returning was the two Jeff’s “War” of words and I went “oh my!” You might know that I feel...
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    Scary, but True

    Thanks Carl for bringing this up and yes, I am hopeful that we can have a meaningful discussion and explore what it means to be a good Selectman and whether I, or John, do or don't measure up....
  20. Poll: Fie on Fees. Not

    Kim, to me above you pointed out that fees make it difficult for lower-income children to participate in extra-curricula groups and activities. Correct, but in your effort to guarantee a level...
  21. Poll: User Fees User fees always seem like a good...

    User Fees

    User fees always seem like a good idea (as noted, they’re already used) but maybe a goal would be to expand them wherever possible, schools or town. Besides raising revenue from the...
  22. Poll: Jolly good banter

    There’s a chart that I’ve always wanted to make but can’t find the data. You people love data so maybe you can help. The chart would relate the actual assessment (or property tax, it’d represent the...
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    Board of Selectmen Election in 2010

    As with the School Committee election thread, it might be useful for the next two months to have a place where we can explore the Selectmen’s election. What will the issues be? What makes a good...
  24. This surprised me; Fred Turkington contacted me...

    This surprised me; Fred Turkington contacted me and kindly took the time to explain a bit more about the reasons behind the HDC/Twenty Wayland litigation. If I’m getting this right, essentially it...
  25. Thread: Sos

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    The 3 questions

    Jeff, my first thoughts about answering your three questions turned out not to be my final thoughts...

    Question 1: I think SOS's sharing of email addresses was wrong. If an organization has a...
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    Kim, good list of issues, to which I’ve added...

    Kim, good list of issues, to which I’ve added Mary’s “payroll” and “transportation”, let’s hope people will add more to it. Can we categorize and/or prioritize the issues? (i.e., educational,...
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    Honest debate; principled, thoughtful opinions;...

    Honest debate; principled, thoughtful opinions; supportive and considerate. Sounds like a great Discussion Forum policy. I vote yes.

    don
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    Wayland’s Financial Reporting

    For those of you who might be looking for something boring to fill up your idle hours, I have attached a couple PDFs that may help you sleep. One is “Wayland’s Combined Balance Sheet” from the 2009...
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    What Policy?

    Pertaining to the thread about Jeff B.’s HS voting ambiguity, I think something went wrong. The thread could have discussed the reasons for the ambiguity – the benefits of the new building; how the...
  30. It’s going to be difficult to be silly… but I’ll try

    I wouldn’t give 2 cents (that’s quantitative?) for any email from a special interest group that only presents one side of the issue (that’s philosophical?).

    Darn, there I go again, I just can’t...
  31. Thanks Dave, you’re very kind to take the time to...

    Thanks Dave, you’re very kind to take the time to explain all this. I only wish our town’s leadership did the same, helping people answer their questions about what’s going on. Just think if the...
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    Ow

    Carl, you're sincerely invited to help make this discussion group better.

    Do the number of ballots counted equal the number of people who signed in and out?

    don
  33. Alan, one of the things I value about you is that...

    Alan, one of the things I value about you is that if I ask you a question, you’ll try to answer it. And you try to answer honestly. So, what’s the actual underlying point you’re trying to make with...
  34. Dave, thanks for the information. That all gets...

    Dave, thanks for the information. That all gets us to today, and I know you aren’t the HDC or the developer and can’t answer for them, but it’s their actions right now that I don’t understand.
    ...
  35. Red Light Means Town Center Developers Must Stop

    Is it always just me that doesn’t understand?

    The way I think it usually works is that government requires something and private businesses drag their feet to avoid the added cost. But our future...
  36. Thread: Sos

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    Why is there so much I don’t understand.

    Why doesn’t SOS/Yes4WHS show up here and participate? Are we not neighbors and friends having a gay old time this Sunday? Must we be adversaries that don’t deserve an answer? (I wish they would...
  37. Thread: Sos

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    Jeff B., thanks for posting this kind of stuff...

    Jeff B., thanks for posting this kind of stuff (even though I had to look up redaction), I would never have known about it otherwise (not redaction, silly). Of course, I’d see all the above as...
  38. Poll: Why didn’t this discussion happen before the election?

    Too bad not much discussion earlier, and only 4 votes in our forum. Not great but a beginning. A very small minority – if this was town meeting, I guess we could say that the town’s people gave...
  39. Alan, please don’t discourage people from posting here

    You might be right about all the legal negotiation issues, but I’d almost assume that Twenty Wayland sent the letter to the Historic Commission, this posting being part of their public disclosure,...
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    Linx

    There was an ad stuck to my Crier last week for “Linx Enrichment Club for Kids” in Wellesely. So I checked out their website. Turns out it’s a small school by any other name. 250 classes for kids...
  41. Poll: This certainly has been an informative...

    This certainly has been an informative discussion, very helpful to my deciding how to vote.

    Now’s the time to vote, so please vote here too, if only for practice and to see how it works. It...
  42. Poll: Boy am I confused

    (but you know that) I was going to drop in and ask why no discussion here? No interest? No importance? Only a Senator? Was going to ask if someone wouldn’t make the case for Brown. And today in the...
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    John, thanks for the meeting’s synopsis. Guess...

    John, thanks for the meeting’s synopsis. Guess we’ll see what happens tonight. If I was a betting man, I’d bet the School Committee ignores the people with concerns and accepts the proposed budget as...
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    Please, does anybody know if the school committee...

    Please, does anybody know if the school committee said or did anything about the school's budget in their Monday night meeting?
  45. Poll: Senate Election, Brown vs. Coakley, January 19

    This isn’t as important as the school budget, but let’s have our own election here. How about a week of discussion first and then cast our ballots for senator here next weekend before the real...
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    Poll: Jeff, good to see you’re back.

    Yes, I’ve seen in Wayland and other places, many times, the tendency to cut policemen, firemen and teachers first whenever budgets are threatened. You haven’t? And what reason could there be for...
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    Poll: Kim, did you go to the School Committee meeting...

    Kim, did you go to the School Committee meeting last night? Did they mention any of the above budget issues?
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    Poll: Excellent!

    Thanks for sharing this Jeff B. (And finding out about stuff like this is why eNews is so cool!)

    Who wouldn’t support what this woman proposes, she's asking: “Aren’t there places to economize that...
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    Hero worship? complex?

    I don’t know if “the Avatar” fits this categorization, and certainly some of the other films mentioned don’t (being satires/comedies) but it seems that there’s a large genre of movies (all action...
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    Is this all confusing enough?

    Oh Kim, maybe I shouldn't have made my little joke, I'm sorry if you felt people might think you did it on purpose. Everything you did was just fine. Yes, all OK! What I really like about the new DF...
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    This was posted before “Fred's” response (whoa),...

    This was posted before “Fred's” response (whoa), but Kim was installing this beautiful new version of DF and somehow lost my post. (a ha, a conspiracy to silence... just joking) Now this post is out...
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    Sorry, I don't know about it, and the truth is...

    Sorry, I don't know about it, and the truth is that it's unclear how many people visit here, and even fewer choose to post anything, but let's hope somebody has an answer for you!

    I do wonder what...
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    Who dem da “bad guyz”?

    I don’t know, but from reading last week’s Crier, it almost seems that those who were attempting to keep the Historic District Commission (HDC) from hiring a lawyer might be.

    The newspaper seems...
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    Peace and Goodwill

    Nice thing about this season is that you can almost feel the spirit of “Peace and Goodwill”. In the quiet of the night, flurries passing a chapel, snow upon an empty street… So close, they are...
  55. So Jeff, I take it you vote, “not deception” to...

    So Jeff, I take it you vote, “not deception” to incomplete information? Certainly I know that I see Wayland’s governance more negatively than many of you and perhaps I’m here trying to reconcile my...
  56. Nice Snow!

    I know this doesn’t really belong here, but it doesn’t deserve a thread of its own, and Jeff, since you’re here I thought I’d ask: “Don’t you see it as deception when the fact that the school budget...
  57. At long last, winter has come.

    Fall work finally finished. Stone wall done, firewood in, boat ready for winter… of course, some leaves still unraked, some fields unmowed… but spring will fix that. Now, the quiet of winter brings...
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    I see, it’s the babysitter lobby in town that...

    I see, it’s the babysitter lobby in town that benefits from things as they are, and opposes any improvement.

    Ah ha!
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    Town (not such a good) Meeting

    I too was disgusted with the Article 3, Motion to Move. There were 10 people patiently waiting to have the 3 minutes to say their piece and this guy runs up to “move” the article, almost like he...
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    Full-Day Kindergarten, what do I know?

    Kathy, excuse me for not knowing that people want full-day kindergarten, my children are all over 25. Kindergarten seems from a long past life. But wait, maybe kindergarten will return into my near...
  61. Vote “No” on Warrant Article #4 (Affordable Housing Trust). Tell Everyone.

    First, Article #4 is not about supporting Affordable Housing or not supporting it.

    The “Trust” would be a small group of people making decisions about how to spend town money. This Trust would be...
  62. I saw a movie, Once Upon a Time, a Sleeping Beauty of a new High School waiting...

    ... waiting upon the Prince’s kiss of deficit funding in some mythical place called Wayland

    I know, Im boring, but could we be serious for a moment. Did you know there’s a vote and Town Meeting...
  63. So quiet here, you’d think nothing was going on, no big decisions to be made

    There’s much I don’t understand. Why is eNews so underutilized? I think it’s a great opportunity, not only for the citizens of Wayland, but for the leadership too. People can use this discussion...
  64. It’s truly amazing, I should never complain.

    There is now an active link on the Town’s home page to the official HSBC web site. Excellent, and there’s even financial information on the HSBC site! Pretty cool, and thank you world.

    Of course,...
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    Yes, please don’t think too harshly of me, but...

    Yes, please don’t think too harshly of me, but alas I don’t get to go to Town Meeting (or any meetings for that matter). I work nights. Which of course could once again lead us to digress as to...
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    I’ll say. You two guys, Dave and Jeff, are...

    I’ll say.

    You two guys, Dave and Jeff, are great. The battle of the titans! What you both say is sometimes so good I just have to laugh. Dave, your little set about “groking” was priceless,...
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    Kim, I don't think I've ever got to vote on...

    Kim, I don't think I've ever got to vote on “every line item”. Have I been missing something?

    And moving? I'm not sure whether I'm not saying it well, you're not understanding, or you're just...
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    What happened to all the discussions?

    The world is much different, as is government and its role in society, than when our political systems were first designed. The checks and balances help constrain groups within government from...
  69. Bet you all could guess that I would be for...

    Bet you all could guess that I would be for completely “naked” transparency; that I think all governments are failures – incompetent at best, malign at worst; that even here in America government...
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    So funny, I can see them, the educators, sitting...

    So funny, I can see them, the educators, sitting ‘round the table saying, “gee, only 40% of our students got question #44 right, they don’t seem to understand how this type of analogy works, guess...
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    Alan, you're right to suggest that the discussion...

    Alan, you're right to suggest that the discussion forum's range of topics could be expanded. We could talk about anything. Cooking, the weather, plays in town, anything really. A broader range of...
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    Oh Alan, you’re such the revolutionary

    I bet if we elected you selectman again, you’d pass legislation that’d ensure you’d be dictator for life, just like all those leftist/socialist pinky comm-e b_____s (how would you spell “comm-e”?)
    ...
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    My apologies for not getting back to the many...

    My apologies for not getting back to the many important things I want to respond to, but this country boy, it being fall, has too much to do, and so begins to long for the quiet of winter… I will get...
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    What do we really know?

    Even though by now I’m not sure if we’re talking about MCAS scores or percentages of Special Needs children in each class, I appreciate the above discussion if only because it keeps me thinking about...
  75. I say, “Yeah!” Let's follow how this goal...

    I say, “Yeah!” Let's follow how this goal translates into action, and what is discovered.

    And Alan, I'd like to get your children on here and just see whether they have a different take on what...
  76. Just to be clear, I didn't mean asking second...

    Just to be clear, I didn't mean asking second graders about what the educational goals were. But say, high schoolers, and there must be surveys or something from the parents?

    I am curious about...
  77. Excellent, Jeff, you answer so fast. And the...

    Excellent, Jeff, you answer so fast.

    And the reason I asked, is “professional educators” and “tests” notwithstanding, it seems that to involve the students in their own educational process would...
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    Just a typical day in town

    Jeff, you always say I have no basis for saying, “Our leadership mismanages”, but I knew I wouldn’t have to wait long for examples (even though I believe there’s a fine and illustrious history along...
  79. I agree with Elizabeth that there are multiple...

    I agree with Elizabeth that there are multiple personality types on display here (but two examples – the super cyber-statistical automaton ubermensches and us other guys, the humanists). (grimace)...
  80. I said the following to imply that I wasn't...

    I said the following to imply that I wasn't totally against testing and saw some benefits for school committees and educators when evaluating their success or failure in comparison with others. And I...
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    In response to Jeff's ongoing criticisms “......

    In response to Jeff's ongoing criticisms “... This is a form of Tufte's "chart junk." [grin]” Alan noted:



    Alas, I must agree. Let me fantasize about Jeff's position. The problem with the two...
  82. Good Stuff

    I just love this type of discussion (which includes the related thread about CH/HH Elementary MCAS scores). Good question Elizabeth and I do think it appropriate and good that people try to come to...
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    Responding back a bit to Alan’s Question

    Alan, I don’t feel comfortable being specific about which person or organization. I don’t want to cause any harm and in truth don’t know enough about what’s what. Also not sure about who would be...
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    Before Jeff’s blistering attack above and Alan’s...

    Before Jeff’s blistering attack above and Alan’s comment (both of which I’ll get back to) I had wanted to speak to the suggestions about me becoming more informed.



    I do wish I was at the...
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    Yes, perhaps I got a bit carried away with my...

    Yes, perhaps I got a bit carried away with my “selling out the taxpayers”, but Jeff, aren’t you doing the same thing – Implying that the town’s leadership aren’t selling us out without a single shred...
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    Isn’t this Exciting?

    Yes, Mr. Negative is back

    Everyone says how wonderful Wayland is, but I wonder, since I keep running into oddly strange and inconsiderate things. Last Friday, in a local bank I happened to...
  87. “Expectations”

    Not being up on educational type things, I too was surprised by the racial nature of the Achievement Gap article. I thought we tried not to look at things in a racial way. Weren’t we moving to a...
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    Science this ain't

    Suppose we “overpay” teachers and administrators by 25%, thereby having some “gain” (gain = .25 ?) of better teachers. Then, for every four positions we could have a “free” fifth position (gain = .20...
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    Wow!

    Time off was fine, thanks for asking.

    Not to digress, but it seems there’s really not much to “gain”. We all spin in mystery on a wet, sun-bathed, rapidly human-destroyed rock, floating in an...
  90. Alan, of course the FinCom should be the body...

    Alan, of course the FinCom should be the body that makes any financial projection, but do you see any likelihood that they might consider doing so? I’ve given it a little thought and it shouldn’t be...
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    Sounds great, Jeff

    Seems like we have our usual positions staked out. I criticize and you list many good examples of how (in this case) the school-related system is communicating OK, combined with an appeal for any...
  92. Alan, do you think we (ourselves) could construct...

    Alan, do you think we (ourselves) could construct a reasonable estimation of what the town’s future funding/tax requirements will be? You were a selectman, Jeff was on the finance committee, there...
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    Kim, I did check out the Electronic...

    Kim, I did check out the Electronic Communications Committee’s (ECC) web site. Interesting. I found the “Report to Annual Town Meeting” from April – was that what was presented to the BOS last week...
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    Steve, in thinking about increasing participation...

    Steve, in thinking about increasing participation here at the DF, my first thought would be to get the “editorial board” of eNews to participate more. You’re the only “editor” I’ve seen post in my...
  95. I have no children in school, so I don't know,...

    I have no children in school, so I don't know, but it seems some people think the elementary schools are too crowded. Is that an issue/topic?
  96. Moving Right Along

    BT, please be patient with us all. To me, the DF is like a slow discussion. That’s a good thing, where if you’re busy, away, or need time to decide what to say, there’s no rush to respond. But it...
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    Not to detract from the seriousness of the...

    Not to detract from the seriousness of the discussion, but I wanted to say something before Monday, and I “don't got no time”... so, pertaining to the town's collective bargaining, let's start a new...
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    Let’s Sum Up and End this Thread

    Been doing this now for about a month, so let’s see what I’ve learned.

    A quick rundown of topics touched on in this thread:
    What’s going on at DF?
    Participation
    vBulletin usage tracking
    Forum...
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    For a moment on Friday I dreamt there was a...

    For a moment on Friday I dreamt there was a beginning toward organizing the informational threads under categories. Then I awoke. Didn’t have much time to experiment with the categories, to get an...
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    One problem I have with the way the nature and...

    One problem I have with the way the nature and expense of town services is justified is the comparison with “peer” towns. Most all of the “peers” are not much like Wayland. I think that Wayland’s...
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