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    Well, despite how much I enjoy this back and...

    Well, despite how much I enjoy this back and forth, I'll try and stick to the only meaningful parts of the above diatribe that even come close to being worthwhile/true (point #1 notwithstanding)
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    Just came back from the Town Center. Really glad...

    Just came back from the Town Center. Really glad it is part of our town (and I always enthusiastically supported it).

    At least I've done something, Carl, besides lurk behind a keyboard and spout...
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    Jeff, I only mentioned that you don't live here,...

    Jeff, I only mentioned that you don't live here, which is a fact. My source comes from the public voter registration records of the Town of Wayland.
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    I will read. Thanks for the information.

    I will read. Thanks for the information.
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    Thanks for the clarification on the letter. Does...

    Thanks for the clarification on the letter. Does said request have to be written or can it be verbal, Kim?
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    Wow, I haven't posted here in a long time! I only...

    Wow, I haven't posted here in a long time! I only post to comment on what a parody of itself this Discussion Forum has become. It is the home of the former SOS'ers decrying their loss of power, those...
  7. Finally, someone I can relate to. Welcome back,...

    Finally, someone I can relate to. Welcome back, John. Thanks for bringing another person with rational thought to this thread. Now at least I have someone to converse with. Maybe you can get Jeff to...
  8. No, Jeff. Constructive conversations are fine....

    No, Jeff. Constructive conversations are fine. But I don't believe in having circular conversations with someone with such diametrically opposite views from my own. It is time-consuming, circular and...
  9. As I said, I am sure you'd disagree with...

    As I said, I am sure you'd disagree with everything. You simply proved it with your reply. Your defensiveness only adds to your "guilty as charged" aura. Your twisting of economics/finance and...
  10. Had you been at Town Meeting, Jeff (why do you...

    Had you been at Town Meeting, Jeff (why do you keep avoiding this question) -- you'd know that things like $6Mn overpayments to OPEB were uncovered, as an example. How 'bout the over-reserve of...
  11. I don't want to be nasty. Your comments about...

    I don't want to be nasty. Your comments about budgets in previous posts implied that we will be forced to go back to high taxes to fund the budget. Certainly, all governments have waste in them...
  12. Mimicking -- sorry the extra letter confused you...

    Mimicking -- sorry the extra letter confused you so.

    If waste in government is offensive to you, it should be. It certainly offends me.

    And yes, SOS is certainly a negative connection and was...
  13. You've made the assumption that the past is the...

    You've made the assumption that the past is the present/future. That is not necessarily true. Changes in the economy have changed the way many people have thought about spending. It is not a given...
  14. Stellar wit! [GRIN] (c) I never expected you'd...

    Stellar wit! [GRIN] (c)

    I never expected you'd understand/agree. Good news is the people have voted and it doesn't matter if you do. The majority of citizens define sustainability in the form of...
  15. Kim, defending the Warren debacle is simply...

    Kim, defending the Warren debacle is simply preposterous. To lie about your ethnicity in an attempt to get favorable treatment in job hiring, and then to lie again about why you did it is a...
  16. It has everything to do with the sustainability...

    It has everything to do with the sustainability of living in Wayland for the people paying the taxes. Now they will only pay what is needed instead of an inflated amount.



    What a shame that we...
  17. 1. I am suggesting both. It is now two times on...

    1. I am suggesting both. It is now two times on free cash that concerned citizens forced the FinCom to apply free cash to the budget, Jeff (STM and ATM). It is, of course, the prerogative of TM to...
  18. Well, Jeff, that will be for TM to decide. I...

    Well, Jeff, that will be for TM to decide. I believe what makes the whole scenario sustainable is a citizen-centric view as opposed to a town-centric view. The clear exposure of free cash and the new...
  19. Seems fairly clear to me (not that anyone was...

    Seems fairly clear to me (not that anyone was asking me). The majority of the town has decided that sustainable financial solutions are those in which the citizens are allowed to vote on every dollar...
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    OK, Jeff. I get it. Make a guess, state it is...

    OK, Jeff. I get it. Make a guess, state it is fact, and then insist it's so as an effort to force someone to agree/disagree. Really a sad departure for you from typically fact-based arguments to...
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    The relevance is simply that you took the time to...

    The relevance is simply that you took the time to call out John and I'm only saying that he probably doesn't give a hoot that you did. In fact, I'd venture to say that the mention of Wayland...
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    Just Guessing...

    Boy, it sure has been a long time since I've posted here. After perusing the boards, it looks like it has been a long time since anyone (other than Jeff D, Dave B, and the occasional others) has...
  23. The post was removed recently, within the last...

    The post was removed recently, within the last few hours (at least it was there when I left for a charity event early this afternoon from which I just returned). Maybe that is the reason it was not...
  24. Without getting into the inaccurate accounting of...

    Without getting into the inaccurate accounting of smears or the definition of what is a smear and what is an opinion, all I can say is that anonymous comments in general are far more weighted towards...
  25. I think I've done that several times, Kim. I have...

    I think I've done that several times, Kim. I have said in several posts that I do not support posting without ID in general. I think the reason I've chosen to keep responding to this one person is...
  26. Anyone see the movie Network? Remember the scene...

    Anyone see the movie Network? Remember the scene where people start screaming out the windows that they're not going to take it anymore?

    The last week or so has been an interesting one on the TC...
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    Let's not even go there. I'm not going to hold...

    Let's not even go there. I'm not going to hold the Dems in any great light when it comes to looking after themselves :)
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    Why do you suppose that gap exists? Probably...

    Why do you suppose that gap exists? Probably because the politicians want to be able to have the robocalls go out about their own campaigns without flying against the law. Very self-serving, but...
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    I get e-mails all the time from people I never...

    I get e-mails all the time from people I never asked to send me stuff. The most obvious example is people using my e-mail address to solicit charitable donations. Sure, they have my e-mail for some...
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    Characterizing you? Putting words in your mouth?...

    Characterizing you? Putting words in your mouth? Twisted assumptions? I assumed nothing. I have no idea (and I suppose neither do you) how someone got/already had your e-mail address. I have no idea...
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    No Carl, I do. But I don't believe an election...

    No Carl, I do. But I don't believe an election missive endorsing one candidate or another is an invasion of privacy. I open the mailbox every day and tear up a ton more junk mail than anything...
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    Don't We Have Anything Else to Worry About?

    Come on, people? I got e-mails supporting the other side, and I assume my e-mail address came from a sports list, personal address book, etc. No matter who I support, if I don't want it I delete it....
  33. My previous posts discuss areas where we could...

    My previous posts discuss areas where we could see administrative salary cuts/personnel reductions. They should be explored.
  34. I'm only leaving open the possibility that I...

    I'm only leaving open the possibility that I could be proven wrong and that every dollar spent is "worth it". I'm for as little admin as works...

    That being said, your response left out any...
  35. You could look in a lot of places... *Our top...

    You could look in a lot of places...

    *Our top school administrators are getting paid more each and every year. The budget link you provided shows a 6.1% increase in the salaries of our...
  36. Yes, but the tax bill is still a problem. People...

    Yes, but the tax bill is still a problem. People look at the home they buy and realize they are paying a very high dollar amount for the assessed value. Then the argument becomes are we getting our...
  37. The Tax Facts

    From today's WVN newsletter...

    In fiscal year 2010 Wayland gained the dubious honor of having the second highest tax rate for single family homes in eastern Massachusetts, narrowly missing ranking...
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    Not to fear, Alan. Jeff D. is alive and reading...

    Not to fear, Alan. Jeff D. is alive and reading the DF. He e-mailed me offline (he is somewhere where he has phone access only and cannot access the DF) and offered this response to the WSC.org...
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    I completely agree. You are human and you have...

    I completely agree. You are human and you have biases. In this case, I believe you introduced them. This is not just my perception, but that of others who saw the newsletter. You disagree. OK. I...
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    No issues here, Alan. In case it was at all...

    No issues here, Alan. In case it was at all unclear, everyone I mentioned has a right to send out these e-mails. The ONLY purpose of mentioning all the e-mails from SOS, their followers, SC member...
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    Let me start with one key point...I have no...

    Let me start with one key point...I have no problem with most of the SC technology request (except the $25K for the SCI).

    So, my intent had nothing to do with that. My intent was to point out how...
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    Kim, the paragraph I pasted in above is the...

    Kim, the paragraph I pasted in above is the biased part of the newsletter, in my reading of it. Here it is again:

    "Amendments thus far incorporated into Article 5's Capital Budget are elimination...
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    I Wonder Why?

    For the first time in recent memory, and perhaps ever, Wayalnd eNews put out their newsletter for the week on Sunday...
  44. I have every intention of moving on, Alan, with...

    I have every intention of moving on, Alan, with or without her retraction. This is a non-issue, in my opinion.
  45. Kim....I would say that the only thing that...

    Kim....I would say that the only thing that happened here was that I gave an example of something that happened in this election, carefully not naming names. Ms. Orlov took this personally, assumed I...
  46. I find this whole interchange curious, in that...

    I find this whole interchange curious, in that you would log on here to accost me for insulting you when I have never mentioned your name. I can only conclude you must feel bad for doing whatever you...
  47. This is an interesting story, Melissa, and well...

    This is an interesting story, Melissa, and well within your right to post your version of the events surrounding a call you made to a candidate. I have no interest in "naming names" and putting...
  48. I'm willing to believe this could be possible. I...

    I'm willing to believe this could be possible. I did not know the person myself, so a misunderstanding could be possible. Alternatively, it might have been a joke that I didn't quite catch.

    It...
  49. Running out, and wll try and respond to everythng...

    Running out, and wll try and respond to everythng else later (albeit I'm sure this conversation about SOS, biases, and the like will never result in much agreement). However, I don't think it is any...
  50. This is a true statement. Read both halves of it....

    This is a true statement. Read both halves of it. Plain and simple. Nothing bizarre about it.
  51. The great part about the above analysis is that...

    The great part about the above analysis is that over 6,000 voters in our senate district disagreed, including mostly enrolled Democrats or traditionally Democrat voters.
  52. 1. The above criticism of WVN, surprisingly,...

    1. The above criticism of WVN, surprisingly, leaves out the opposite and obvious bias of this very site and its editorial board. Only, this site shows it biases more obviously. WVN, to my...
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    Readers? Which readers? I don't recall there...

    Readers? Which readers? I don't recall there being a RFQ (request for questions) ever being put out by the Editorial Board of this website soliciting questions for said Q&A. Exactly how were these...
  54. And indeed we elected such a State...

    And indeed we elected such a State Senator...congratulations to Richard Ross for continuing the trend of defeating Democrats in Massachusetts. I wish Mr. Ross all the good will needed to work hard in...
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    Well, we'll have to find out what life is like...

    Well, we'll have to find out what life is like without a lawyer on the WSC. Congratulations to Shawn Kinney on his victory tonight!
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    No, I am contending that I know at least as much...

    No, I am contending that I know at least as much as you do about hiring someone for an open position. Let me suggest that one might argue that I know more, since I would always interview at least two...
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    I repeat what I said before... it appeared that...

    I repeat what I said before... it appeared that you took issue with Shawn's statement supporting a no-raise position. I therefore made the leap that you must support something different -- like...
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    OK. Apparently, the WSC values these...

    OK.



    Apparently, the WSC values these assistants more than you value teachers as you cut the teachers but kept the three secretaries. Interesting set of priorities for a committee charged...
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    Well, it appears that you take issue with Shawn's...

    Well, it appears that you take issue with Shawn's statement supporting a no-raise position. I therefore made the leap that you must support something different -- like raises. Admitted, you said no...
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    Serious Concerns Indeed

    Hmmm, Jeff. Your questions serve to raise important others....

    1. Jeff D. says: I'm not sure which is more troubling--the fact that WaylandeNews published Mr. Kinney's Q&A after he had a chance to...
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    Yes, I get it. I could also make arguments the...

    Yes, I get it. I could also make arguments the other way, but no point.





    Joe Nolan has had some of the most damage I can think of. I stand by my commentary on Tom and Steve. I wouldn't add...
  62. And There's More

    Not surprising that one of the most liberal newspapers in America endorses a Democrat. The Metrowest Daily News, a less politically biased newspaper, endorsed Richard Ross this week...
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    Jeff, there's a lot to respond to here. The...

    Jeff, there's a lot to respond to here. The overarching theme, however, is that you and I can argue our points til kingdom come and we'll likely never see eye-to-eye. A few quick responses, and then...
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    Jeff, come on. I said Don was slamming SOS. His...

    Jeff, come on. I said Don was slamming SOS. His quote supports that. He is slamming the status quo. He is slamming SOS. He is slamming the majority. It is in no way a personal affront towards John...
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    Let's be more specific, then. It is a feeling of...

    Let's be more specific, then. It is a feeling of disenfranchisement, then. When the minority (a significant one, in this case) is left to feel powerless, that is akin to disefranchising regardless of...
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    To quote SNL's Seth Meyers, Jeff, "really,...

    To quote SNL's Seth Meyers, Jeff, "really, really?"

    If you haven't been living under a rock for the last few years, you would likely agree that SOS and their like-minded followers are on one side...
  67. As Dave notes, this explanation of applications...

    As Dave notes, this explanation of applications is fairly thin. As I've mentioned before in this thread, why can't we look at Wellesley (a peer town), which has already worked on this. Amongst other...
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    John's thoughts are right on here. I, for one,...

    John's thoughts are right on here. I, for one, have been accused of such behavior by Jeff D. recently. I have reviewed my comments over and over again, and stand behind them. That being said, Jeff D....
  69. It must be frustrating when someone doesn't...

    It must be frustrating when someone doesn't answer your legitimate questions. I know how you feel....

    After all, here's the actual topic of this thread embodies as Post #25 in it's entirety, a...
  70. In your opinion. Your forgot that part, Jeff.

    In your opinion. Your forgot that part, Jeff.
  71. This does not explain why it couldn't be held the...

    This does not explain why it couldn't be held the week after vacation. If the goal is minimize conflicts, that sure would be an easy way to do it.
  72. Read every post, Jeff, after the one I cited....

    Read every post, Jeff, after the one I cited. There is something objectionable akin to what offends you in nearly everyone of them. I do not expect you to agree with this, much like I have a hard...
  73. This response borders on ridiculous (uh oh, bad...

    This response borders on ridiculous (uh oh, bad behavior because I said the post was ridiculous). All you've done is memorialized in writing that you are unwilling to answer legitimate questions...
  74. Jeff D. hides behind this "bad behavior" thing...

    Jeff D. hides behind this "bad behavior" thing because he has no answers. He'll jump on and say he does, and that he's not answering to punish me. I'll suggest his 'bad behavior' as a member of the...
  75. Jeff, honestly, how many people are willing to...

    Jeff, honestly, how many people are willing to participate in this forum publicly on any subject. Not many. The fact that people comunicate to me offline is not new. I refuse to 'out' people who...
  76. Kim, I too have heard from several folks offline...

    Kim, I too have heard from several folks offline who are flabergasted that an elected official is behaving in the manner he is. I agree with John. Leave it alone so the context is clear to all.
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  77. Insulting Wayland voters? No. Everyone makes...

    Insulting Wayland voters? No. Everyone makes mistakes....

    By the way, Jeff, winning by less than 40 votes is a statistical anomaly. Consider yourself lucky...
  78. Think what you want, Jeff. I was speaking of the...

    Think what you want, Jeff. I was speaking of the WSC as a whole and not any one member in those comments.

    You're probably right about the WSC, though. It certainly wasn't because the best...
  79. So-called mischaracterizations, insulting...

    So-called mischaracterizations, insulting hyberole, inabilities to search and perceived accusations of lying are all in the eye of the beholder, Jeff. I see things one way, and you see them another....
  80. Last I checked, asking legitimate questions of an...

    Last I checked, asking legitimate questions of an elected official is not "bad behavor," Jeff. Bad behavior is fleecing the Wayland electorate's tax dollars time and time again (see ridiculous...
  81. Uh, No....

    Jeff, I beg to differ. Following Post #24, I posted the following as part of a response:

    Most of what is written above is high-level summarizations. So, my question all along has been around the...
  82. Well, Jeff? Are you ignoring me simply because...

    Well, Jeff? Are you ignoring me simply because you have nothing left to say or because what there is to say does not support your side?
  83. I was referring to state and national races, not...

    I was referring to state and national races, not local ones.
  84. I am in favor of campaign finance reform, not so...

    I am in favor of campaign finance reform, not so much through public financing though (we have too many needs as a populace to waste public dollars on campaigns). There should be a hard limit on how...
  85. Jon, your minimization of the trappings of...

    Jon, your minimization of the trappings of incumbency is surprising. Term limits are hard stops on your ability to continue your job. Elections are means to return to your job. Sure, people can...
  86. Yes, Jon, a liberal bastion it is. I've raised a...

    Yes, Jon, a liberal bastion it is. I've raised a family and built a business here, so I'm kinda stuck. However, the work of the Tea Party and the leadership of Scott Brown and others like him are...
  87. Not a surprising position coming from an elected...

    Not a surprising position coming from an elected official who has been in office for many terms.

    BTW, pilots do have term limits. As do partners in public accounting firms. As do many CEOs. It's...
  88. I should be clearer. I support democracy, with...

    I should be clearer. I support democracy, with all its warts. However, I do not support entrenchment. We, as a country, are sorely lacking term limits and, in the case of MA, entrenchment of the...
  89. Jeff -- thanks for asking. I am against...

    Jeff -- thanks for asking. I am against majorities, in general. It is bad for fair government. Looking backwards, I can fairly say that recent history has not been favorable in regards to any...
  90. Richard Ross for State Senate

    I, myself, will be awaiting the general election and voting for Richard Ross. Mr. Ross is Scott Brown's hand-picked successor to his seat. Why -- because the last thing we need to do in MA is add one...
  91. Still Wondering

    I mentioned this in another thread now that Jeff D. has returned to the board, but it was more appropriately put here. I'm still wondering, Jeff, what your thoughts on my replies to your last post on...
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    Poor Carl. You must not have read my post before...

    Poor Carl. You must not have read my post before jumping into a your judgement of me. The first thought of my post ("On a supportive note, I'd say I'm all for eliminating anonymity on boards. It...
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    There are so many things to say here, I don't...

    There are so many things to say here, I don't know what to say first.

    On a supportive note, I'd say I'm all for eliminating anonymity on boards. It allows bullies and 'fraidy-cats' to throw bombs...
  94. One more note...yesterday's Crier had an article...

    One more note...yesterday's Crier had an article focusing on the lack of planning around the SCI. In the article, there are quotes from the aforementioned Ms. Simon and Gary Burton speaking of the...
  95. By the way, an update from the School Committee...

    By the way, an update from the School Committee Budget Hearing last night. A resident asked about an implementation plan for the $25K Pilot of the SCI. Leisha Simon spoke pretty vaguely about how...
  96. Without forcing anyone to slog through the rest...

    Without forcing anyone to slog through the rest of these documents, I have extracted the part of the final technology request for this year that pertains to the SCI (the subject of this thread). It...
  97. Great questions, Kim. Those kinds of ideas are...

    Great questions, Kim. Those kinds of ideas are representative of the basis for a plan I have continued to ask about. Having viewed the SC meetings where this initiative was discussed, and read...
  98. While we continue to wait for Jeff to come up...

    While we continue to wait for Jeff to come up with the plan (how many days has it been?), I figured it it made sense to keep providing more of what we know DOES exist here. I checked the minutes and...
  99. Apparently, I'm not the only one interested in...

    Apparently, I'm not the only one interested in this subject. The one-and-only Letter to the Editor in this week's Crier addresses the very issue being discussed in this thread...
  100. What exactly should we patiently waiting for,...

    What exactly should we patiently waiting for, Jeff? Are you and Doc Brown going to jump in the Delorean, targeted to the 1/11 meeting shown on the tape, and present some kind of an actual plan? Louis...
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